tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388014615339890178.post7437588984671168967..comments2023-05-27T07:47:26.610-05:00Comments on Bass Blog: Some Lame NotesMichael Hovnanianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07822257921093170726noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388014615339890178.post-76237864572382814132008-01-11T10:26:00.000-06:002008-01-11T10:26:00.000-06:00novelty and laziness is no substitute for solid ma...novelty and laziness is no substitute for solid mature bass playing. harmonics have their place where specifically intended, but, i think, should very rarely be used elsewhere because they are such specific note colors.bcarterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09130782544555047540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388014615339890178.post-38628888036281827972008-01-11T10:25:00.000-06:002008-01-11T10:25:00.000-06:00without citing any obvious etudes or methods and r...without citing any obvious etudes or methods and relying on common musical knowledge i think all of these replies, mine included, agree that there has to be a purpose for a harmonic, any less is, i think, immature. <BR/><BR/>playing with purpose is an important thing to remember. one should not substitute technical deficiencies with convenient novelty. playing the Bach cello suite #2 off of the Madelena transcript one might phrase things more rubato than normal to make bow changes, but one must not succumb to such novelty... similar in the use of harmonics.<BR/><BR/>another example, playing with rabbath technique and petracchi and higher level technique is not taking benefit in the solid foundations of simandl.<BR/><BR/>i fight my university teacher with this subject. she is an avid rabbath disciple and uses it, i think, in impractical places where something might be more aapropriate for the musical setting. i'm not saying rabbath method isn't useful... but i'm saying it is useful in some instances and not in others where other methods are more appropriate... just like harmonics. we should first follow what the music dictates and then make the mature decision to use such things as harmonics.<BR/><BR/><BR/>we should not do something just to make things easier... that is why we practice.bcarterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09130782544555047540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388014615339890178.post-16680301029202066922007-01-23T09:03:00.000-06:002007-01-23T09:03:00.000-06:00Why doesn't anyone ever debate the harmonic 'G' th...Why doesn't anyone ever debate the harmonic 'G' that is always played in the first bar of heldenleben #9?<br /><br />I agree completely with this post, by the way. Just wondering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388014615339890178.post-36913286151606326812007-01-20T12:51:00.000-06:002007-01-20T12:51:00.000-06:00I haven’t looked closely at the Zimmermann fingeri...I haven’t looked closely at the Zimmermann fingerings in a long while. My recollection is that they are often practical more than musical. Standards have changed a lot since those books were published.<br /><br />I’m all for harmonics where ‘appropriate’ but the examples I cited – particularly Heldenleben – are instances where I don’t think that is so. If somebody looks at that passage and decides the last note of the 3rd bar would sound great as a harmonic – well, then that is their musical judgment. That is the highest point of the main motive (or two bar cell – whatever you want to call it) of the piece, not just some random note in the middle of something. That’s my view anyhow.<br /><br />What I see more often is the harmonic used to avoid playing the closed ‘A’ out of tune. Two and then four bars later you have to play the high ‘C’s closed anyway – so why not make the fingering consistent? <br /><br />I have heard a lot of players play those closed ‘A’ in tune. If I’m listening to an audition I would prefer the in tune closed note to the in tune harmonic. Maybe it is my suspicious nature, but when I hear the harmonic I’m always wondering if it is covering for the fact that the player can’t play the closed note in tune and is making (for me) a is dubious musical choice for technical reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388014615339890178.post-68653147552720078812007-01-19T18:11:00.000-06:002007-01-19T18:11:00.000-06:00I notice the Oscar Zimmerman books seem especially...I notice the Oscar Zimmerman books seem especially liberal with trick harmonic fingerings. An example is in the 3rd movement of Schubert 9, letter B. I wonder what people think of that use of the 'dulcet' A harmonic.<br /><br />Perhaps it's best to put the harmonic question to non-bass players, since we're so accustomed to them. As Brian wrote, certain contexts seem less offensive, to my bass-addled ears anyway.Matt Hellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03826702936313274744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388014615339890178.post-54381748853411547402007-01-19T10:18:00.000-06:002007-01-19T10:18:00.000-06:00In the case of #9, I guess I'd rather have a harmo...In the case of #9, I guess I'd rather have a harmonic slightly change the color of a very short note in the middle of a passage than have it be out of tune... in the trout example it seems like a totally different context, the note being the end of the phrase. On the other hand, depending on how you shape that arpeggio the harmonic could sound really good as the last note. I don't really think I'm an <i>appologist</i> for harmonics, but it seems a little odd not to use tools at our disposal when they're appropriate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388014615339890178.post-56843843446428957882007-01-16T20:32:00.000-06:002007-01-16T20:32:00.000-06:00I whole heartedly agree!! I think harmonics totall...I whole heartedly agree!! I think harmonics totally change the tone, color and focus of the sound. Harmonics sound best when they are in a proper "harmonic"s passage (Hindemith for example) but when placed alongside normal timbre they always fall short in the musical line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-388014615339890178.post-81546776021657097122007-01-16T17:46:00.000-06:002007-01-16T17:46:00.000-06:00I love harmonics. I refuse to play anything but h...I love harmonics. I refuse to play anything but harmonics. The only problem with harmonics is they're always high notes. I don't care for high notes. If you need ledger lines above the bass clef (contra) staff to write a note, it's hardly worth playing in my book. Do you have any advice for a hardworking, opinionated guy such as myself?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com